Curse

Rayne Nightfyre · Apr 04, 2006, 09:45 PM // 21:45

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Originally Posted by houndofhell93

yah iway is far frome gone all it is good for now is rank farmers ites ben a while since iway won the hoh i like this but im still descusted by r3 or r6 required it annoys me and when u put together a group some ppl do eff up allot like i had 1 guy bring all 3 sperits and no iway or pet every one was verry furious. i have spent a few hours seeing hoe many noobs join and ask for stats what wep to use exetra exatra. GIME SOME MELLOWS AND CHOCOLATE

Turning on a light when typing can be very advantageous...Spell Check works too.

Anyway, I feel that the 'iway' trick was the worst thing to come to the PvP in Guild Wars. Before it, you didn't see as many clueless players with rank 6 or whatever. But seriously, how many times do you see a player that makes a stupid remark, question or action and when laughed at, says "STFU ALL U N00BS IM RNAK 3!!!1!1!!1," and spams his /rank emote? Some of the most clueless players can easily get their hands on fame and rank. So again, Rank=Skill? Hardly.

But about the OP's topic, a rank reset would be extremely unfair to those who actually worked hard to obtain their fame/rank. A-Net will find a way to better distinguish skilled players from fools, it's best we trust them and leave it in their hands.

RotteN · Apr 04, 2006, 09:55 PM // 21:55

play with people/guildgroups you know, it's 1) more fun 2) higher chance of succes 3) free of any "rank-elistism"

i rarely play tombs, roughly 95% of my pvp-time is GvG, so i'm "only" rank 4, that does not mean i suck at tombs or that i have too little experience down there to perform well. that simply means i don't spend half my life down there

yeah, i do believe some "newer" players will have a hard time starting tombs. But simply keep trying, join a pvp guild (nothing elite, just guys that pvp regularly together) and you'll soon know enough ppl to whisper for groups

reset rank all you want, i wouldn't care ... (bambi's ftw)

Ado · Apr 04, 2006, 10:49 PM // 22:49

There will always a need for a non ts/vent build which is easy to understand. The simpel reason is that many players don't want to get on ts/vent for obvious reasons (annoying kids, just to name one of them). If IWAY, MF or EoE-bomb will be completely nerfed, another non-communicationbuild will be invented.

Anet knows very well that many players are reluctant to use ts/vent, therefor they will never nerf all builds which don't require communication. If they would do that, they would lose a lot of players.

But to come back at topic. I agree with the ppl who said that rank only resembles the time you've spend in HA. The ammount of fame in no way determines how good a player can play a certain build. There are enough rank 9 players who've never iwayed, spiked etc, who still can't play every profession at a very high lvl. Ppl will play what they like most. So if a r9 got all his fame by playing as a monk, will he be a good warrior-caller automaticly? Not likely, that player has to practise that as well to become good at it, for the simple fact that it's totally different.

The only way IMO to solve the rankproblem, is that players stick longer together, even if they lose in a stupid way. First: it saves everyone time finding a new team. Second: the teams players have to get used to eachothers playingstyle. Third: you just have to accept the fact that ppl have to learn it one way or another.

When a team stays together for a long period of time, they can give eachother tips, try out new stuff, etc etc, making everyone more skillfull in the end.

I think having this kinda attitude when playing pvp, makes everybody a lot happier. But............it is wishfull thinking that will ever happen.

The time of the KD/AS smite-teams where u could find a team in less than a minute, and ppl just had fun playing pvp, disregarding if a match went good or bad, are far far behind us.

Ranger Li · Apr 04, 2006, 11:02 PM // 23:02

A Simple metaphor will express my opinion:

Halls-teams are like gvg-guilds
Why don't you hold halls? Because you're not good enough.
Why aren't you in a top 30 gvg guild?Because you're not good enough.

To hold halls you need experience, capability, and a firm leadership similar to GvG, rank allows this experience to be seen, now you can go jabber on about how you own your mursaat and this makes you a good monk but you are wrong beyond any extent, you have NO pvp experience and in my eyes, you are not a good player(for pvp). Rank distinguishes experience/winning ability in tombs from the unexperienced, I for one would not like to have noobs running around saying "Omg i played tombs for 8 months..omg!!" and getting into top groups only ot bring the standard down.

TheMosesPHD · Apr 04, 2006, 11:09 PM // 23:09

Let it be noted that anytime anyone makes a thread on the topic of removing rank or changing the way it works, no one ever makes an alternative suggestion that doesn't have a major flaw in it. There isn't a better alternative to ranking than the way it's done now. It's not perfect, nothing is, but it's a hell of a lot better than the crappy ideas you all think up and suggest. Get over it. Everyone has to work their way up the rank ladder. Contrary to the denial of noobs, rank does have something to do with skill. Some ppl have skills flat out, meaning they'll generally play well in the game regardless of their experience. But you also need experience to know how to solve certain problems when facing an enemy, and making small second by second decisions that can decide ones win or loss. I don't care how well you think you are. If you are better than people that are the same rank as you, then you'll climb above your rank faster than those aronud you. But regardless of your skill you still have to climb. We all did. Everyone had to start out at rank 0, and everyone had to have a difficult time finding a PUG team until they got a higher rank. Go with your guild if you need a team. Your guild doesn't tomb much? Find a new guild. When I was low rank I was often irritated that I couldn't find groups faster, because I knew I could play better than the other ppl around me. So what did I do? Well, one thing I didn't do is come onto a forum and whine my ass off about it. Instead of wasting my time complaining I did something productive. I waited and worked to get into groups, and tried to make a name for myself so ppl would add me to their F-list and reinvite me. So I did, and so I rose above my rank. If you ppl that make these threads keep it up, you're never gonna get a good rank. You spend all your time whining and having a bad mood and not enough time just playing. You deserve to have a low rank. Someone mentioned the good old smiting days, which indeed were good times. But those times are over, we can never go back to that way of tombing. Instead of mope about it get over it and move forward. In life you can't go backwards, and you always have to press yourself forward even when stuff is tough. If you can't even do that in a game, I don't know how you manage in the real world.

lishi · Apr 05, 2006, 12:06 AM // 00:06

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Originally Posted by =HT=Ingram

Complete Rank reset every chapter... New game new rank. period. problem solved... end of rankism.. for want of a better word...

If they rage quit the game over it. so much the better... Their loss, not ours...

i can write a lot of thing about what you say , about how stupid it will be , how unfair , it will destroy one of most driving goal of HA , but i will just say

wont be our loss (yes i will rage quit if i lose my tiger) it will be arena.net financial lose
so stop wishing arena.net will solve the probrem for you.

lishi · Apr 05, 2006, 12:12 AM // 00:12

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Originally Posted by Ado

There will always a need for a non ts/vent build which is easy to understand. The simpel reason is that many players don't want to get on ts/vent for obvious reasons (annoying kids, just to name one of them). If IWAY, MF or EoE-bomb will be completely nerfed, another non-communicationbuild will be invented.

I usually join in group (or when im leader) who kick out annoying people...
that is not a good reason to not use vent.

if the leader dont do that probably he wont be able to impose the strategy(or dont have it) to make the group work well ...

Senator Tom · Apr 05, 2006, 12:38 AM // 00:38

rank has nothing to do with skill anymore...
people just iway and iway some more to get up to rank 6/9
there could be rank 3's that are way better than most of the iway rank 6's and 9's because they could play more different builds, or gotten experience and knowledge from gvg

Ado · Apr 05, 2006, 12:53 AM // 00:53

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Originally Posted by lishi

I usually join in group (or when im leader) who kick out annoying people...
that is not a good reason to not use vent.

if the leader dont do that probably he wont be able to impose the strategy(or dont have it) to make the group work well ...

I agree, however many ppl, and how can I say this nicely, well they are afraid to get flamed on ts/vent if something goes wrong.

I personally dont care getting flamed, I live in a rough neighbourhood so im kinda used to "rude" behaviour

However treating someone and being treated with respect is of course the best way to go. But thats a bit off-topic.

But as others have said already, there's no good alternative to the ranksystem, so we just have to live with it and make the best of it.

And about rankresets, u cant compare it to the laddereset. The guildladder is a competition, just like baseball or soccer. Every new season teams can try to win the championship. Rank is something personal, just like a player in a sportsteam. Every individual has a reputation. If a player doesnt perform well in a sportsteam he will be kicked or the coach will ask him to change so that he will play better. It's the same in GW. Nomatter which rank you have, if you play bad, you'll either get kicked or ull be critisized so that you improve your game.

If GW players wanna be/stay good at what they're doing, they have to practise, nomatter which rank they have.

Imperfection · Apr 05, 2006, 12:55 AM // 00:55

Wow, this thread seems to be a complain thread to me. A guy just starts halls and he cannot get into the elite groups. Why is that anyone's problem but his own? I see plenty of non rank groups go into HA; maybe they suck, maybe they don't. How people get their ranks is entirely their choice. Its a goddamn game, so let people have their fun.

Haggard · Apr 05, 2006, 01:21 AM // 01:21

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Originally Posted by Epinephrine

Wow, seriously unreadable.

Same, i have no idea whose side hes on

=HT=Ingram · Apr 05, 2006, 06:05 AM // 06:05

Not my problem... I'm rank 5 I don't care either way... I'm just sick of the argument... My sarcasm was suppose to reflect that...

d4nowar · Apr 05, 2006, 06:45 AM // 06:45

Make it so everyone has to beat the zaishen challenge and elite missions, and the 5 consecutive random and team arena victories... just like the new people have to do.

It might just teach people how to do pvp, as it was intended.

Then some of the ranked people might actually be skilled.

houndofhell93 · Apr 06, 2006, 05:50 PM // 17:50

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Originally Posted by d4nowar

Make it so everyone has to beat the zaishen challenge and elite missions, and the 5 consecutive random and team arena victories... just like the new people have to do.

It might just teach people how to do pvp, as it was intended.

Then some of the ranked people might actually be skilled.

i agree with choo

audioaxes · Apr 06, 2006, 09:40 PM // 21:40

lets not fool ourselves, higher ranks tend to be "better" players that lower ranks at a pretty high correlation
thats why a r9 team will beat a r3 team 9 times out of 10

heck even i can say that I have become a better overall player as I progressed through ranks

Lonk · Apr 06, 2006, 10:09 PM // 22:09

IWAY basically killed the fun, along with a few other flavor of the month builds, of HoH.

Now it's to a point where if you dont have your own group already, you'll need to run IWAY, have teamspeak/vent, and rank 3+ to have any chance of getting into a group, just to farm for more fame.

HoH has really lost the thrill of battle, in comparison to say 8 months ago, hardly anyone these days tries new strategies there, no offense to people who legitly gained higher ranks, good for them.

Granted I've never been much of a pvp lover with Guild Wars (played since day 1 and im still rank 1), I do think something needs to change to fix all of this, but of what needs changing, I cannot fully say.

devils wraths · Apr 06, 2006, 11:09 PM // 23:09

i was thinking why dont they jsut make heroes acent random team. all you do is click and there you go your in a party and if you leave well they could just take some fame from them. i dont care what u think but thats my idea dont like it owell personal opinion.

Draygo Korvan · Apr 07, 2006, 05:46 AM // 05:46

I havent used my /rank emote in 2 months.

Rank is pointless. Get friends that know you're good.

All the real compitition is in gvg anyway.

Spoony · Apr 07, 2006, 11:29 AM // 11:29

Not after it.

houndofhell93 · Apr 07, 2006, 03:07 PM // 15:07

yah iway ruined it all that seems to be the reason that all these r3 and what not poped up becaulse nobody wants noobs and so if u havent done halls before ur screwed... or atleas may as well be... but i have seen some major noobs a iway player that i saw had all the sperits no pet and eviscrete right after i told him the build... i hate when ppl tell me they have the build then they dont its such a let down and he was r3 i think he paid for his rang i hate those kinda ppl...